Why I don't like the cuckold community

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by trecital » Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:06 am

SheLikesWhenIWatch wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:29 am
But I worry that, by dwelling on details, the audience will think, “This guy is fantasizing, not truth-telling.”
There's fantasizing about something that sounds truthful.
There's actually retelling the truth.
Then there's fantasizing about something that sounds like fantasy.

I'm sure you might get some negative reaction if your story/post is long and detailed. But that's generally from the 'reading while wanking' brigade. They tend to want it succinct and crammed full of quick action.
But generally, on this forum, long and detailed is welcome. Thankfully.
I remember recently visiting 'Wife wants to play' forum, reading a post of about two reasonable paragraphs in length, with a reply from someone complaining about "long winded fucking posts, that take too long to read". His dick must have been getting sore after wanking it for the length of time it takes to read two paragraphs.

No, carry on with the detail.....the longer and more detailed the better. If someone gets bored with reading it, they can always move on. But what can you do about a short post that tells you next to nothing? Are you supposed to fill in the details yourself?

I want to read sentences like "my wife's boyfriend's cum was thick and pearly white as he rolls of her". I want to read it and feel that I'm sat next to you, watching. Watching while he slides his cock into your wife's pussy and fucks her to orgasm. Watching the expression on your face as he cums deep inside her pussy.
I want it to read like a good book, rather than a single captioned cartoon.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by mfm4bnc » Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:56 am

iloanmywife wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:36 am
theothercuck wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:52 am

People that are difficult to talk to, or who only want to talk about themselves, are frustrating to talk to by definition.

Cucks on forums relish in their weakness. I feel bad for their wives. What's worse, they put this forward sacrificing their wife's happiness for their own fetish, when cuckolding is about the wife's happiness and not the husband's.
Maybe you're on to something.

I think online cuckolding discussions can bring out the worst in cuckolds and wannabe cuckolds. In a word, it's selfishness. I know that I've been guilty of it, and I believe most men who find their way to an online forum about cuckolding are guilty of it as well. We all tend to want to talk about ourselves, which isn't a great recipe for a healthy back-and-forth.

I participate in other unrelated forums, and a good thread topic will almost always spawn a lengthy discussion, tangent upon tangent, with friendly banter and heated debates. This tends not to be true with online cuckolding discussions. That's not unique to OHW, which fantastic and orders of magnitude better for hotwifing and cuckolding than anything else in the internet.

The threads that get the most engagement are "controversial" topics like this one, because everyone puts his dick back in his pants and writes what he's thinking. In contrast, if a guy were to post a torrid description about his wife's first MFM threesome, he might be lucky to get a few follow-up comments. Or someone might change the subject to himself and his own favorite kink, or engage in a game of one-upsmanship in the standard online race to the bottom to see who can come up with the most perverse scenario and who is the most pathetic loser of the group, because it's only hot if you're the most pathetic. And some posters think, "This is all BS" and move on.

When conversations about cuckolding dies it's because of all of us.
Good insights!

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by mfm4bnc » Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:01 am

Tank Turner wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:08 am
Bluetoed wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:23 am


1) Speed: the faster things progress the less likely it is true. While sometimes things can progress fast, they more often progress slow.

Hi Bluetoed,

I agreed with most of everything you've posted except the speed with which sex can happen. Who hasn't had a one-nighter? Those happen quickly.

I remember college parties when sex happened before it could be spontaneous. Drunk coeds have zero inhibitions.

Women know within the first 15 minutes of meeting dudes whether they'll fuck them.

When alcohol is involved, speed that sex can happen will rapidly accelerate.

My wife and I used to work a plan that did not always produce results. When she found that right dude that passed her vetting process, MFM sex would happen within a couple hours. But the planning was done well in advance.

It took many weeks for our latest friend to get on board. He's an exception to our rule of not permitting anyone to become too close for fear our kids might find out that their angelic mother is a bedroom porn star. Circumstances have eliminated risk of our exposure. He's tight friends with my wife's sister's fiancé. We can easily excuse him hanging with us.

We've never been to a swingers club. I've been told that sex at swingers clubs happens within minutes.

So the time variable is not a reliable indicator of veracity.

If one were to use what he or she knows to be true, you can separate the wheat from the chaff. If it reads like poser prevarication, it probably is.

Of course, none of the aforementioned applies to cuckolds because I know little about that lifestyle.
I think the speed comment was less about a specific encounter than it was about the transformation from a conservative viginal church mouse to a voracious insatiable gang bang cum slut who after showing no interest in the lifestyle, locks her husband into chastity the day after her first gang bang;-)

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by mfm4bnc » Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:06 am

There's fantasizing about something that sounds truthful.
There's actually retelling the truth.
Then there's fantasizing about something that sounds like fantasy.

There is a pearl in that passage... the difficulty telling truth from fiction is that we have the fantasy, and when something real happens, we view it through the lens of our fantasy... by the time we write it here, we have replayed it in our mind several times, and the fantasy and reality comingle. We can never be objective observers as our fantasy plays out before our eyes!

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Wls77 » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:57 am

mfm4bnc wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:01 am


I think the speed comment was less about a specific encounter than it was about the transformation from a conservative viginal church mouse to a voracious insatiable gang bang cum slut who after showing no interest in the lifestyle, locks her husband into chastity the day after her first gang bang;-)
Haha yeah this is exactly how i read and it and agree. One thread in particular really stands out, and it was generally lapped up by the ohw community at the time.

Personally, my road from A to B was a massive drastic change, but took place over 4 years - and that was with a big acceleration at the end.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Bartleby » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:05 pm

The cuckold community was very helpful for me when I started off, often conflicted with my own feelings and was not always happy with what my wife was doing, there is that side and that is the most important part of the community. People giving each other serious advice.

I read a lot of stories, and wanked off to them. It was always disappointing when at some stage, the story feels rushed, gets unbelievable. Things are either going way too fast or stuff is happening that is utterly unlikely to happen. Often emotional detail is missing. Those are my signs that a story is a lie.

I mean, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, but there were many stories I decided I cannot believe in. Quite a downer, in my opinion. I wish people would just post in the fiction thread when they want to share a good story that is not true. Sometimes a story is even so good that it does not matter whether its true, but still, if you want to post fiction, declare it as fiction.

I used to frequent another forum, where people did not trust each other at all and every post was met with "You are a liar, prove that your story is correct." even when the stories were quite believable. That created a toxic atmosphere that probably killed that forum. I appreciate OHW's policy not to question someone else's story publicly. If you don't believe it and you don't like it, just leave it. Maybe someone else will enjoy.

If you want to be sure that the story is true, read the ones of the core members who also give good advice to others. Their stories are very likely to be true.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by LawyerWouldbeCuckold » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:24 pm

theothercuck wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 1:52 am
I've been an on again off again cuckold since 2009. It started a year previously, when my ex-wife was in a shortfilm and had to kiss another guy, I googled guys who had to watch their girlfriend kiss another man, and cuckolding came up. I have a lot of experience as a cuckold.

Why I don't like cuckolding culture started near the beginning, but I liked having like-minded individuals to talk about this with, and analyze our feelings together. But I finally gave up a few years ago and stopped commenting.

First, the stories are unbelievable. I feel like I'm talking to a group of pathological liars half the time. It's frustrating to want to have honest and sincere conversations about something so surreal, only to be met with lies. The thing is, I love real stories. I love to take a trip down memory lane myself. I like talking with two friends in person, who have had similar experiences. But the unbelievable stuff, told by people with zero social skills (and to pull off watching a guy undress your wife takes serious social skills to put him as ease to do it), is the opposite of honest and sincere conversations.

Second, the zero social skills. Cuckolding can give off incel vibes (sometimes being an incel is the fantasy). People that are difficult to talk to, or who only want to talk about themselves, are frustrating to talk to by definition. It's terrible pr for cuckolding to, I'd rather it just be a normal thing to stay monogamous to a non-monogamous woman, but it will never be normalized if the people advocating for it are awkward af.

Third, women don't want to be married to beta males. You can be an alpha and a cuck. Being so secure that your wife having a guy on the side doesn't bother you is a sign of strength, being so insecure you can't handle the slightest bit of jealousy is a sign of weakness. Cucks on forums relish in their weakness. I feel bad for their wives. What's worse, they put this forward sacrificing their wife's happiness for their own fetish, when cuckolding is about the wife's happiness and not the husband's.

Just some random thoughts about why I don't post here anymore. Wish you all well.
Well, I'm currently not cuckold; and given my lack of consistent romantic partner at this point (although there are a few prospects) I'm not sure I'll ever become one......

Nevertheless, I've learned a tremendous amount on this website, not simply about cuckoldry; but about relationships in general. Because some (many, I would think) people here are honest and willing to provide candid feedback to someone looking for answers.

And I have been told by some other folks that some feedback I have given them has been genuinely helpful.

And I was glad to be able to give something back and pay something forward.

That what sites like these are about.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Bluetoed » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:37 pm

Bluetoed wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:23 am
The admins of the site have a policy based on "truth is stranger than fiction" so stories cannot be called fiction without violating the rules here. I can understand why they have that rule, but it does produce a very extreme result, which is it's a free for all for the fiction writers.

While it's impossible to determine for a fact that a story is fiction, there are aspects that make it less likely of being true. I'm not saying the aspect means it's not true, just that it is less likely that it is true. These aspects are:

1) Speed: the faster things progress the less likely it is true. While sometimes things can progress fast, they more often progress slow.
2) Inevitability: when the husband in the story acts as if he has zero control of his future, it is less likely to be true. While sometimes a husband has zero control, success in cuckolding relies heavily on communication and boundaries. If a real cuckold has zero control, it is likely doomed for failure.
3) Lack of enjoyment: when the husband can never seem to say anything positive, such as "this is great; I am loving this; or this is everything I dreamed it would be" even after being asked by readers if he is enjoying it, it is less likely to be true. The reason a poster would not want to share his enjoyment in his thread is because his motivation to post is to arouse his readers. His readers are aroused by humiliation, and NOT by joy. Expressing that he likes what he is experiencing is a mood killer to his target readers. A person sharing a real story isn't motivated to post to arouse his readers. He is motivated to share what he enjoys.
4) Take his ball and go home: when a poster threatens to stop posting because of people questioning his story, it is less likely to be true. This is because it's hard to keep a fictional story straight through all the questioning. This is why police detectives question suspects over and over and over again, often with the same question just phrased differently. A suspect who is making up his story will have a hard time keeping his story straight, and so will a fictional cuckold writer. A person telling the truth can answer questions consistently and wouldn't feel the need to stop posting due to questions. In fact, one of their main motivations to post their real story out in the public is to answer questions.
5) Unconfirmed wife postings: when readers begin questioning the validity of the story, the "wife" starts posting using the husband's account to add validity, it is less likely to be true. While there are some wives who don't want their own account, if a wife is posting in the thread to validate what their husband is saying, them being unwilling to become verified goes against their efforts/intent of posting in the thread, and it is probably the poster just acting like his "wife" is posting. Sometimes this is obvious when the husband and wife have the same writing styles.

Again, none of these aspects being present means the story isn't true. It just reduces the likelihood of it being true. And if a story has many of the aspects above, it means it is less and less and less likely to be a true story.

But it is possible that a story could have all the aspects of the above and yet still be true. It would be rare, but as they say, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

There are also lots of readers here on this site that don't care one way or another if the story is true or not. So if a story has a lot of the aspects of the above, don't put a response in the thread about it. Just move on. But, if you are someone here to learn, and want to learn what to do and what not to do, fictional stories aren't good sources of education about this dynamic. So if the aspects above exist in a story, it's probably a good idea to ignore the story from your research.
Felt the need to add another to the list.

If the couple posting their story get upset with posted opinions that their hotwife dynamic is unhealthy from:

1) People on the internet that they have never met before and likely never will.
&
2) Who are part of what is likely the world’s most knowledgeable hotwife community.

And then later on the couple’s story takes a turn where the husband is revealed to be a cuckold to:

1) Friends, neighbors and/or anyone in their sphere of normal daily life.
&
2) Who, like most people, likely have little to no knowledge of hotwife dynamics, let alone cuckold humiliation.

Then the story is likely fiction.

If it does happen to be a true story, if they can’t deal with random opinions on the internet from strangers with hotwife knowledge, just wait until they have to deal with opinions from their friends and neighbors and their ignorance of hotwife dynamics.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by WarrenOldcuck » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:53 pm

I totally agree Bluetoed. Txrockdog also made interesting comments regarding the BF's intentions and as you say if this is all true then the BF's comment about DDW saving face seems to support this. I mean why else would he want to totally destroy DDW when he already has full access to his wife whenever he wants? There are many similarities here to an old thread that now seems to have disappeared that was entitled "Looking for feedback". That started in the same way with the husband convincing the wife she was hot and to cuckold him. Her saying that she was a one man woman and that if she went ahead she would be denying the husband. Her finding a boyfriend and caging the husband pretty much full time. The BF persuading her to have sex with others and her making hubby role play the part of a new partner. It came to a halt after a cuckold ceremony where the husband was outed to a whole load of his friends and had to sign a cuckold contract.
At that point there was so much disbelief in the story that the Op stopped posting. I just wonder if "Potentially the start" could possibly be an attempt at retelling that story????

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Unread post by txrockdog » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:08 am

I also have my doubts about the truth of that story, but I will keep those off of the thread. If the story is in fact true, I think the BFs reaction to her request to change the guest list is very revealing and should alarm both of them. DDWHW’s first responsibility is to her marriage and relationship with DDW. If she asks BF to change something in the name of protecting her husband and her relationship with him, and the BFs reaction is to demand she submit to “punishment” for it? That should be setting off major alarm bells for both of them.

Punishment is a tool used to discourage a behavior. What behavior is the BF trying to discourage? The wife protecting her relationship with her husband and trying to avoid putting her husband in a situation where he may suffer real mental and/or emotional harm. That kind of harm can and likely would cause the husband to resent the BF and by extension resent his wife’s ongoing relationship with BF. That is unhealthy for their relationship and BF is an asshole imo for trying to cause it.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by WarrenOldcuck » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:45 am

I agree with you and if it is true, DDWHW shouldn't have said "at this point" but should have said "never". By the way, I got slated for calling the BF an asshole, which he is 🤣

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Bluetoed » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:46 am

txrockdog wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:08 am
I also have my doubts about the truth of that story, but I will keep those off of the thread. If the story is in fact true, I think the BFs reaction to her request to change the guest list is very revealing and should alarm both of them. DDWHW’s first responsibility is to her marriage and relationship with DDW. If she asks BF to change something in the name of protecting her husband and her relationship with him, and the BFs reaction is to demand she submit to “punishment” for it? That should be setting off major alarm bells for both of them.

Punishment is a tool used to discourage a behavior. What behavior is the BF trying to discourage? The wife protecting her relationship with her husband and trying to avoid putting her husband in a situation where he may suffer real mental and/or emotional harm. That kind of harm can and likely would cause the husband to resent the BF and by extension resent his wife’s ongoing relationship with BF. That is unhealthy for their relationship and BF is an asshole imo for trying to cause it.
2 hours and 55 minutes after I made my post above, the story about the party changed, and now "friends of his or close associates" have been uninvited, and the guest list is now "only including people that would understand it {the lifestyle]."

I probably should have waited to make my post above until after the party so that the story wouldn't have changed ahead of the party to remove the obvious inconsistency. Oops.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Bluetoed » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:58 am

WarrenOldcuck wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:45 am
I agree with you and if it is true, DDWHW shouldn't have said "at this point" but should have said "never". By the way, I got slated for calling the BF an asshole, which he is 🤣
Actually, that brings up another aspect that makes a story less likely to be true. And that aspect is when everything unfolds perfectly.

""Perfectly" in the sense that all the angst and humiliation the cuckold wants experiences zero road bumps along the way. The first guy the wife even considers ends up being sex she never thought she could have, meets her every need, takes her on numerous trips planned in just a few days, she falls in love with him, and of course he is into humiliating her husband. How this unfolds in real life rarely, if ever, happens that perfect. As most people in the lifestyle will tell you, finding a bull is the hardest part, and finding a bull that perfect on the first try is a unicorn. Pretty much everyone in this lifestyle has stories of many road bump they experienced along the way. A perfect story is likely fiction.
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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by MustBeDenied2 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:04 am

Not to mention, how do you go about tactfully uninviting friends from a party?

BF’s behavior is concerning. On the one hand, he seems familiar with the lifestyle and with kink; on the other, he has little familiarity with the need for consent. Exposing your kink to your vanilla friends is not very prudent, especially for someone who is so concerned about privacy that pictures or even fake names are out of the question.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Bluetoed » Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:19 am

MustBeDenied2 wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:04 am
Not to mention, how do you go about tactfully uninviting friends from a party?
And go from hosting "friends and close associates" in your home, to whatever the "people that would understand it" are. The woman who setup the wife with the BF would make sense to meet the new guest list criteria. But who is the rest of the guest list? Strangers having a party in your home just because they understand cuckolding?

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by WarrenOldcuck » Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:33 am

I'm so glad fellow guys are on the same page 👍

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by txrockdog » Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:23 am

Bluetoed wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:46 am
txrockdog wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:08 am
I also have my doubts about the truth of that story, but I will keep those off of the thread. If the story is in fact true, I think the BFs reaction to her request to change the guest list is very revealing and should alarm both of them. DDWHW’s first responsibility is to her marriage and relationship with DDW. If she asks BF to change something in the name of protecting her husband and her relationship with him, and the BFs reaction is to demand she submit to “punishment” for it? That should be setting off major alarm bells for both of them.

Punishment is a tool used to discourage a behavior. What behavior is the BF trying to discourage? The wife protecting her relationship with her husband and trying to avoid putting her husband in a situation where he may suffer real mental and/or emotional harm. That kind of harm can and likely would cause the husband to resent the BF and by extension resent his wife’s ongoing relationship with BF. That is unhealthy for their relationship and BF is an asshole imo for trying to cause it.
2 hours and 55 minutes after I made my post above, the story about the party changed, and now "friends of his or close associates" have been uninvited, and the guest list is now "only including people that would understand it {the lifestyle]."

I probably should have waited to make my post above until after the party so that the story wouldn't have changed ahead of the party to remove the obvious inconsistency. Oops.
Also not coincidentally, shortly after I pointed out that the wife is not allowed to say no to the BF we have a story development with the wife…gasp…saying no to the BF.

I am also counting down the time it takes for folks or even the OP to start coming over here defending the story and accusing us of excessive negativity after telling us on that thread to take it to another thread.

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Unread post by MustBeDenied2 » Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:31 am

For the record, I’m not claiming it is fiction or that they are doing things wrong and their marriage is doomed. I’m simply pointing out something that concerns me.

Given how their story started (and the 0 to 100 speed doesn’t even concern me, they’ve apparently discussed this for a while), the rapidity with which BF came on the scene was too easy. Reminded me of Tunafish.

I’m still choosing to believe everything is as presented and I wish them all the best.

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Re: Why I don't like the cuckold community

Unread post by Mgcouplemn » Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:14 pm

It sounds like a lot here have had a sheltered life, and are now in the shoulda, woulda, coulda's. Don't try and analyze other people lives, when you don't know theirs, stick to figuring out your own. Cuckolding has been going on for thousands of years, found out when my father passed away that my mother and father lived the life too, I had no clue till I found pictures of him and my mom at sex parties and of her having sex with many men. That is a whole other discussion.

Wife and I met at a swingers party 51 years ago, we dated by going to swing parties a lot. played a lot out side of them too. our 51 years of playing around as a couple doing what ever we thought might be fun and exciting, at least once, more if we liked it and none if we didn't, but had to try at least the one time. We don't have jealousy, cheating, or any marital issues other than the staple of money issues. we have both loved our sexuality, I loved watching her having sex at the first party we both attended separately. she loves that I get so turned on watching her.

Early in our sexual adventures we swung, and after years of it it was evident to me that I was having sex with a guys wife so I could watch the guy fucking mine. For many years now, she fucks, I watch, and she watches me masturbate watching her. When we share our adventures there is no lying, no non-fiction, nothing but fun, and real. Maybe at times a little exaggerated but only because the event was so exciting to us it is hard to express it in writing.
Wife and husband share it all together. Husband enjoys masturbating while watching the wife having sex with other men. Wife enjoys watching her husband stroking his cock while he is watching her being fucked.

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