she has feelings?

[Brute]

I was going to ask couple hours earlier, but put it off, if the ex was a viable alternative. It sure has a lot less risk, and be much more in line with what is mainstream hot-wifing / cuckolding (if that's a thing). A fling with the ex would also let the two of you know how each of you is capable of handling the emotions.

[Zangze]

Yea I don't think I'll be making that move right now considering whats at stake.

If it happens it happens.

Now if she tells me to tell him, or asks me to tell him...of course I'll ask her why considering what I know. But honestly, even with that in mind, if she asks me to tell him I'll do it. If it comes to that point shes basically laying it out there and just being honest about the fact that she'd either rather be with him or at least wants to explore that idea. I'm not going to stand in her way and I might as well take her up on the offer to finally explore cuckolding and enjoy the adventure while I can.

I'm pretty sure that's what she's doing. She's expressed her desire for him, and that if he's interested and you follow through, that it's game on. She's giving you every signal she can to tell him other than flat out telling you to tell him, or telling him herself. Based on what you've said so far, my intuition is that she wants this, but she doesn't want to be the one to make the call, probably because of what she's said is at stake. She doesn't want you to be able to say later that she told him, set the ball in motion, and caused you all to end up where you end up. She wants it to be your choice.

It's not going to happen unless you push the button and set it into motion. She isn't going to start it herself, either by telling him or by telling you what to do. She wants it, but she's restraining herself until you give her the sign not to. You've been batting the ball back into her court for a while from what you've said, and all she ever does is bat it back and egg you on. She wants you to do it, but she's going to make you be the one to do it.

It's totally understandable if you don't want to take the risk, or if you can't bring yourself to. There's no shame in just continuing to enjoy the relationship you have and putting the whole thing to bed. If you want it though, and want to "not stand in her way", as you put it in this latest post, then the only way is going to be for you to make the move.

[DarrenZ]

Maybe it’s been asked before, but why the big focus on fake trial separation? I get that it’s a hot thing for a wannabe cuck and it will give some cover if they’re seen together, but why not just tell the guy you’re open to him pursuing her in a dating capacity and you’ll be encouraging her to do it from your side?
How cucky will that be to be the one to offer her up to him?
(Sorry- I missed some posts and see it now. But can’t he be clued in and everyone else can believe in the trial separation thing?”

[FNQLivin]

The issue is that she has made it clear that if she were to date him, then it would be exclusive and doesn’t think she’d stay with the OP. The separation isn’t just cover, it looks like she’d want the option to pursue him romantically without the limits of being together with the OP.

[leander99]

The issue is that she has made it clear that if she were to date him, then it would be exclusive and doesn’t think she’d stay with the OP. The separation isn’t just cover, it looks like she’d want the option to pursue him romantically without the limits of being together with the OP.

This is exactly the issue.

I would not even be surprised if she is waiting for shesmypornstart to make the mistake of asking for a fake trial separation. And then conclude that this means that shesmypornstar doesn't really care about, so she may actually leave for real.

She has given OP a rather clear warning. He should be carefull.

[Guhunkadorn]

My take is she's telling you they have a magnetism, and they both know it, she's letting you decide if and when to take a step back so they can come together and see what may or may not come of it.

The two of them coming together just feels inevitable at this point given your cuck mindset and the poor sex you've been having and particularly if that continues over the next year.

Curious how he stands compared to you age-wise, marital history, any children?

[troilusand]

Yea I don't think I'll be making that move right now considering whats at stake.

If it happens it happens.

Now if she tells me to tell him, or asks me to tell him...of course I'll ask her why considering what I know. But honestly, even with that in mind, if she asks me to tell him I'll do it. If it comes to that point shes basically laying it out there and just being honest about the fact that she'd either rather be with him or at least wants to explore that idea. I'm not going to stand in her way and I might as well take her up on the offer to finally explore cuckolding and enjoy the adventure while I can.

I'm pretty sure that's what she's doing. She's expressed her desire for him, and that if he's interested and you follow through, that it's game on. She's giving you every signal she can to tell him other than flat out telling you to tell him, or telling him herself. Based on what you've said so far, my intuition is that she wants this, but she doesn't want to be the one to make the call, probably because of what she's said is at stake. She doesn't want you to be able to say later that she told him, set the ball in motion, and caused you all to end up where you end up. She wants it to be your choice.

It's not going to happen unless you push the button and set it into motion. She isn't going to start it herself, either by telling him or by telling you what to do. She wants it, but she's restraining herself until you give her the sign not to. You've been batting the ball back into her court for a while from what you've said, and all she ever does is bat it back and egg you on. She wants you to do it, but she's going to make you be the one to do it.

It's totally understandable if you don't want to take the risk, or if you can't bring yourself to. There's no shame in just continuing to enjoy the relationship you have and putting the whole thing to bed. If you want it though, and want to "not stand in her way", as you put it in this latest post, then the only way is going to be for you to make the move.

I think Zangze has it pegged exactly right. She wants to do it...but if she falls in love and leaves you for him, well, it was your decision to move forward. She wants the opportunity to feel no guilt about whatever outcome happens. And that's understandable.

It's also understandable if you DON'T push the "go" button because of the possible consequences. As someone who jacks off a lot to this thread, I obviously hope you do.

Troilus

[hwc]

Hi, shesmypornstar, you said in an earlier post:

If his leap of faith is testing the waters with a woman he thinks is in the middle of a trial separation from her husband, he understands the risk but doesn't understand that odds of the trial separation ending in his favor are stacked against him.

How about discussing with your wife ways in which you can stack the odds in his favor? You could discuss with your wife, that all though this would be scary as hell, that it would cause you angst and jealousy and fear of losing her- especially because of what she has told you recently could happen if you push this, you could explain that the thought makes you deleriously excited, precisely because of the risks involved.

To this end, you could think of ways of having them come together, how they can end up alone together. have them go on a 'date' together. invite him round and then leave them alone.

If you actively take action and get them together as often as you can, you might never have to tell him anything, if your wife sees that you are making an effort to encourage a relationship between her and him, it will probably ignite itself, if the spark is already there.

would like to hear your thoughts on this.

[hwc]

Having said all that, it would be still more mind-blowing if you do as she asks, with the full understanding of the possible consequences.

If you make the move, maybe you could go 'all-in'... perhaps you could discuss with her ways she thinks you can stack the odds in his favor? She can suggest to you things you can both do to make the game even riskier, by not playing on a level field.

[shesmypornstar]

A couple of you may be right that she wants me to tell him and that she just doesn't want to tell me to tell him. Interesting thought to say the least. For now, with everything thats at stake I'm set on not telling him and just seeing if things happen naturally. Tough spot for her to be in tbh. On one hand I'm sure shes happy that I'm being protective of her and us, and showing her that I value what we have by not pushing this forward. On the other hand, if she really does want to see where things may go with him, all she has to do is tell me, I'll do it.

Since our talk we haven't really talked about any of this. Shes made a comment or two, I may have said something as well, but all in a teasing way. She was at a bracelet party with some girl friends the other night and was the only girl to buy herself an anklet to match her bracelet. Nothing meaningful from a visual standpoint on the anklet, no charms or anything like that. Its something we've talked about her getting in the past and she told me she thought it was time to go ahead and get one considering we've talked about it so much. It was a nice little surprise/tease to say the least, even better that she got it for her right ankle considering she knows damn well what that means.

To answer the question about how I or we compare to our neighbor in terms of age etc...we're pretty much the same age, we have 1 more kid than he does and hes divorced.

Side note. I mentioned to her that she missed the boat on Loctober this year. She told me she got it confused with no nut November and she plans on locking me up November 1st. I'm kinda looking forward to it and honestly wish she'd just do it now. That said, we've talked a bit about chastity and anklet play in the past. Her wearing an anklet around the neighbor, or if we're going out on a date night. Same thing with the cage, we've talked about her telling me to put it on when we expect to see him, or even if we're going to be around some girl friends of hers that she knows I find attractive. So now that she has this anklet, I'm really hoping she shows it off around him AND that she tells me to cage up next time we see him. Even if she never does a thing with him, I love it when she makes me feel like her cuck.

[hwc]

A comment from a while back that you made...

After everyone left I told her that i really enjoyed watching her flirting with him. She asked if I liked her being bitchy to me as well (I did) but I told her that I didn't think she was too bitchy.

Has anything else happened since, instances that you'd like to recount, with her being bitchy towards you again? Have you wanted to, or encouraged her to take this to another level?

[troilusand]

SMP, you said, "On the other hand, if she really does want to see where things may go with him, all she has to do is tell me, I'll do it."

Have you told her recently that you would absolutely tell him you want them to date if she asked you to let him know?

I totally understand your hesitancy to cross the line...at this point, you're having a ton of fun without actually risking your marriage. And you can always choose to risk your marriage at a later time if you decide you want more. And once you commit, there's no going back -- you can't unring the bell. So enjoy the ride you're on now; it's not the destination, it's the journey!

Troy

[shesmypornstar]

A comment from a while back that you made...

After everyone left I told her that i really enjoyed watching her flirting with him. She asked if I liked her being bitchy to me as well (I did) but I told her that I didn't think she was too bitchy.

Has anything else happened since, instances that you'd like to recount, with her being bitchy towards you again? Have you wanted to, or encouraged her to take this to another level?

Nothing that I can recall. I'm sure she has said some bitchy things here and there, but nothing sticks out at the moment. On a really hot note though...the other day she was giving me a handjob and told me that I needed to get my second sample checked to ensure that I don't have any swimmers left. (For context I had a vasectomy 4 years ago and only had one sample checked) I told her that its been 4 years without even a scare, I think we're in the clear. She said "yea well I want to be sure, I've been over at his house a few times lately, he wants a girl and I want to make sure its his" Holy shit, I came about 10 seconds after she said that, it was unbelievably hot!

Troilusand...to your question, I haven't said anything. I've thought about it, but haven't. It probably means more if I bring it up during a nonsexual conversation, but I might ask the question next time we're having some fun and our conversation goes that route. Even in the context of having fun, I actually don't think she'll just say yes. I think she'll remind me whats at stake if we go down this route and tell me that its up to me. I'll reply by telling her that I understand, but if she honestly and secretly wishes that I would just tell him, that I honestly will do that for her. I think at that point she'll say yes.

Now unrelated to actually being cucked, no nut November is 8 days away and she had mentioned locking me up for the entire month. At first I was excited, now I'm dreading it a bit, but considering she hasn't mentioned it again I'm pretty sure that if she does pull out the cage and tell me to lock up on November first I'll be excited that she remembered and is taking quite the dominant step forward. Of course I'll ask her to help me cum one more time before locking it up and giving her the keys.

[emca753]

You are a lucky guy, my first wife miscarried with her boytoy's seed but I was aroused at her insistence 3 years earlier that she ddnt want anymore children yet once she met Kevin she suddenly changed her mind

[emca753]

You are a lucky guy, my first wife miscarried with her boytoy's seed but I was aroused at her insistence 3 years earlier that she ddnt want anymore children yet once she met Kevin she suddenly changed her mind

btw I had a vasectomy at her insistence 3 years earlier

[troilusand]

I sure hope your pillowtalk conversation goes that way, SMP. Or even better, during a "normal" conversation. You will be SO turned on when telling your wife that you are COMMITTED to her having a lover if she wants him; and will initiate things as soon as she she tells you to tell him.

When you tell her this, she'll know that you won't back out of her having an affair...all she needs do is tell you to go next door and tell him you and she want him to have a relationship with her.

Can't wait to hear more...

Troilus

[ahboom]

Seems like the main hurdle right now is her reluctance to go through with it and not knowing what the consequences will be. But you are ready for it. Ideally the best thing would be for her to tell him you guys are thinking of separating but keeping in the down low for now but she's willing to hook up with him and eventually after a while tell him that you guys decided to stay together after all but you have both agreed that she can continue to see him for the time being. One way to mitigate the risks maybe is to take things slowly at first with him. She can tell him that since nothing is final yet and you guys are not fully separated that she'd prefer to see him/be with him once every couple of weeks or something. You could try to convince her that this could work out if you start slowly as well and pull back if necessary instead of going full in. Because it seems like she wants to go full in but also realizes that there's a lot of risk in that and things might change quickly and drastically.

[snoogaloo82]

Seems like the main hurdle right now is her reluctance to go through with it and not knowing what the consequences will be. But you are ready for it. Ideally the best thing would be for her to tell him you guys are thinking of separating but keeping in the down low for now but she's willing to hook up with him and eventually after a while tell him that you guys decided to stay together after all but you have both agreed that she can continue to see him for the time being. One way to mitigate the risks maybe is to take things slowly at first with him. She can tell him that since nothing is final yet and you guys are not fully separated that she'd prefer to see him/be with him once every couple of weeks or something. You could try to convince her that this could work out if you start slowly as well and pull back if necessary instead of going full in. Because it seems like she wants to go full in but also realizes that there's a lot of risk in that and things might change quickly and drastically.

it's really hard to say what is best, but i say that this is some good advice.

[FNQLivin]

The best advice is to leave alone. She has made it absolutely clear that if she and the neighbour get together, that will be it. The pretence of a separation just makes it more likely as he will feel quite able to step in and takeover. Why would he not? I see nothing but red flags.

[snoogaloo82]

The best advice is to leave alone. She has made it absolutely clear that if she and the neighbour get together, that will be it. The pretence of a separation just makes it more likely as he will feel quite able to step in and takeover. Why would he not? I see nothing but red flags.

I can totally understand why you'd say this.

[FNQLivin]

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not!

Assuming the OP is telling the truth (not made up, not fantasy) then his wife has told him:

She is a one man woman
That she has feelings for the neighbour
That she would need to be in a proper relationship
That she would take a relationship to its logical conclusion

No one knows how relationships will pan out. Perhaps she’d have hooked up with him and leave anyway. But when someone says that is what they would do nd you have experience of them doing that in the past, then believe them! The pretence of a separation isn’t fair on the other man, he will think this is the real deal. He won’t be constrained by any rules or agreements.

The separation idea allows her to not feel judged. Even if they kept it discrete, it allows her to say, I wasn’t cheating, we were separated and xx consoled me and then we got together. Absolves her of all blame.

If she felt able to hook up and explore, without the need to lie, then there is still huge risk. But in this case she has literally described what would happen.

I assume the fantasy will be hotter than the reality.

[hwc]

Shesmypornstar, So...

Anymore conversations to report?

Have they seen each other recently and how did that go?

What are your thoughts and how have you been thinking/feeling recently?

I must admit, being on the precipice of a potential separation as you are, must feel equaly scary and excting! Have you had any thoughts of actually making it happen, like when you are being intimate with your wife, feeling overwhelmed with lust, so that you have considered being reckless and throwing caution to the wind or, even better, during normal conversations?

I mean, have you hinted that you would like to, or are considering making the move to make it happen, you both full-well knowing the potential consequences? Has she talked to you about how she wants or hopes that you will make that first move?

Just one other thing, I don't recall you talking about feeling jealous.
Are you jealous when your wife talks about him? Does it fill you with angst, when you see them flirting together?
Have you told her that the mere thought of her and him together makes your blood run cold and puts a pit in your stomach, because you love her so much and that despite all of these feelings, the thought of encouraging their relationship makes you feel delerious?

[shesmypornstar]

Shortly after my last post there was an event we knew he'd likely be at. We hadn't talked about any of this leading up to the event, or really discussed him in the couple weeks after having our talk.So day of, her and I are in 2 different places, and she'll be at the event before I get there. So I shot her a text just hinting that he'll be there and that she better be prepared. It was a little push on my end just letting her know I was thinking about it, and honestly I was hoping to get a response from her telling me to cage up. That didn't happen but she did send me a sarcastic text back saying "Thanks, definitely didn't think about that when I did my hair and makeup before i left" That was definitely hot knowing she dressed up a bit for him, and there was some flirting and light toughing at the event, but nothing else worth noting.

A couple days later we were all invited to another event. She prompted me a few times to say something to him along the lines of "hey you should bring your gf" because shes curious and thinks he may have one, but we weren't going to the event so I never said anything.

So fast forward to this past weekend. I still hadn't brought up the idea about me just telling him about our "separation" if thats what she really wanted. But I was horny and hinted that I was looking for something and she starts giving me an hj. Our conversation goes something like this...

Her: not sure why I'm doing this, you haven't really given me any attention lately
Me: what about last week when i texted you before that event to remind you he was going to be there
Her: I did that on my own
Me: what do you mean? I texted you about it, that was me showing that I was interested in you
Her: Yea but I had already done my hair and makeup for him, that was between me and him
Me: ok but my text was showing my interest
Her: Yea well sure seems like you don't want him around or want to help me see him
Me: why
Her: I told you like 3 times to text him and ask about his gf or invite him over
Me: well we weren't going anyway
Her: you still should've done it
Me: well we had kinda stopped talking about it for a couple weeks. After our talk you seemed disappointed (she immediately cuts me off)
Her: That you won't tell him or bring him around?
Me: (almost cumming on the spot) you told me what was at risk and seemed disappointed that i was still willing to risk it and tell him
Her: I'm disappointed you do what I ask and bring him around more

I don't really remember what was said next but there wasn't much. I almost told her that I'd tell him if thats what she wanted but I didn't. All I could think though was that she really does want to do this and wants me to make it happen. Tough place to be in because i want it to happen but I'm nervous about the risk. That said, I think she wants it now more than i do, which is really hot, but scary too. I don't think i can bring it up with her completely on my own, but i can make the offer to her. Next time we're in the heat of it and having fun I"ll make the offer. After we're done and both calm down I'll confirm with her again to make sure. The other scenario that I'm willing to bring it up is if we're already playfully talking about him, but not actively doing anything sexual. If she initiates the playful banter, I'll make the offer. If she says yes then I don't even need to ask again. She wants him, if shes willing to say yes to my offer, I'm in.

[FNQLivin]

I am struggling with this all. She has told you what will happen. No ifs, buts or maybes.

Once this starts, there will be nothing you can do to stop it. It will see itself out to its natural conclusion. If that results in divorce would you be ok with that?

I know nothing is certain in life, but these are human emotions and you can't plan for that.

[snoogaloo82]

Shortly after my last post there was an event we knew he'd likely be at. We hadn't talked about any of this leading up to the event, or really discussed him in the couple weeks after having our talk.So day of, her and I are in 2 different places, and she'll be at the event before I get there. So I shot her a text just hinting that he'll be there and that she better be prepared. It was a little push on my end just letting her know I was thinking about it, and honestly I was hoping to get a response from her telling me to cage up. That didn't happen but she did send me a sarcastic text back saying "Thanks, definitely didn't think about that when I did my hair and makeup before i left" That was definitely hot knowing she dressed up a bit for him, and there was some flirting and light toughing at the event, but nothing else worth noting.

A couple days later we were all invited to another event. She prompted me a few times to say something to him along the lines of "hey you should bring your gf" because shes curious and thinks he may have one, but we weren't going to the event so I never said anything.

So fast forward to this past weekend. I still hadn't brought up the idea about me just telling him about our "separation" if thats what she really wanted. But I was horny and hinted that I was looking for something and she starts giving me an hj. Our conversation goes something like this...

Her: not sure why I'm doing this, you haven't really given me any attention lately
Me: what about last week when i texted you before that event to remind you he was going to be there
Her: I did that on my own
Me: what do you mean? I texted you about it, that was me showing that I was interested in you
Her: Yea but I had already done my hair and makeup for him, that was between me and him
Me: ok but my text was showing my interest
Her: Yea well sure seems like you don't want him around or want to help me see him
Me: why
Her: I told you like 3 times to text him and ask about his gf or invite him over
Me: well we weren't going anyway
Her: you still should've done it
Me: well we had kinda stopped talking about it for a couple weeks. After our talk you seemed disappointed (she immediately cuts me off)
Her: That you won't tell him or bring him around?
Me: (almost cumming on the spot) you told me what was at risk and seemed disappointed that i was still willing to risk it and tell him
Her: I'm disappointed you do what I ask and bring him around more

I don't really remember what was said next but there wasn't much. I almost told her that I'd tell him if thats what she wanted but I didn't. All I could think though was that she really does want to do this and wants me to make it happen. Tough place to be in because i want it to happen but I'm nervous about the risk. That said, I think she wants it now more than i do, which is really hot, but scary too. I don't think i can bring it up with her completely on my own, but i can make the offer to her. Next time we're in the heat of it and having fun I"ll make the offer. After we're done and both calm down I'll confirm with her again to make sure. The other scenario that I'm willing to bring it up is if we're already playfully talking about him, but not actively doing anything sexual. If she initiates the playful banter, I'll make the offer. If she says yes then I don't even need to ask again. She wants him, if shes willing to say yes to my offer, I'm in.

I hope everything works out for you! Let us know!